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Title: Rectification Feature
Post by: bspradling1 on May 12, 2021, 05:55:11 PM
Hi,

Is there any chance that Planetdance will have a rectification feature in the future?

If there is already a way to rectify a chart, can anyone give me tips on how to do that with the software?

Thanks so much in advance for your time.
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: ABer on May 12, 2021, 06:03:32 PM
Hi there - what sort of features would be helpful to you in rectification. It's currently possible to adjust any birth chart by hour, minute and second. This is very easy to do using the up/down buttons in the Toolbar. To set this up go to Options-Settings-General-Toolbar.

Ed
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: bspradling1 on May 12, 2021, 06:09:04 PM
Hi Ed,

I was looking more at tabulating dates for significant life events, then possibly having it compute important degrees that may correspond with the angles.

Then I would be able to test them out with the other features in the program like solar arcs, progressions, and transits. If I can find a time that correlates with a birth time or at least particular rising sign that would be amazing!

Brandi
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: ABer on May 12, 2021, 06:19:39 PM
Hi Brandi - thanks for getting back to us. A few questions:

How many dates would you need to look at?
Would it be necessary to enter a location for each date, or could you use the birthplace?

It should be quite easy to calculate the planetary positions at noon for a range of dates and display these in a way that would make the information easy to interpret. I'm quite busy at the moment but I'll give it some thought.

Ed

Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: bspradling1 on May 12, 2021, 06:29:55 PM
Thanks Ed,

For rectification, I think anywhere from 7-10 events give the most accurate data. Ten is optimal.

I don't think locations are as important. It can be based on natal location or ephemeris positions.

I appreciate your consideration! Thanks for making such amazing, accessible software.

Cheers,
Brandi
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: ABer on May 12, 2021, 06:32:08 PM
Thanks Brandi - this makes the coding relatively simple. I will give this some further thought and get back to you with some ideas. If you have any suggestions in the meantime add them to the thread.

All the best. Ed
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: bspradling1 on May 12, 2021, 06:53:42 PM
Thank you so much! :)
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: Jean on May 13, 2021, 07:30:10 AM
Hi,
There is a rectification module at horoscope - extra - correction. You can maintain a database with events and have progressions, transits etc. The method is from W. van Dam, who also invented the van Dam primary progression.
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: ABer on May 13, 2021, 08:15:36 AM
Thanks Jean - there's so much in Planetdance I didn't realise what this module was for!

Ed
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: ABer on May 13, 2021, 09:48:25 AM
Hi Brandi - see how you get on with this module. I've never used it myself, but it seems like you create a database with the event charts, and then use these to vary the birthtime in the natal chart.

All the best. Ed
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: Jean on May 13, 2021, 06:38:00 PM
The dutch help was more comprehensive, here's a translation.
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The idea is that you create a database with events so you can compare these by means of progressions / transit to a radix.
Using the big buttons you can change the time for the radix one minute forward or backwards.

Use Database to create or use other databases. Standard is 'correction.db'. 
Use Add to add events to the database so you can compare those times to a radix.
Use Delete / Change to delete or change these events.

Help by T. Sipsma, thanks to W. van Dam & J. Kampherbeek.

Birth time correction.

The best result to correct a horoscope according to Wim van Dam - writer of the book 'Correction of the birth chart' - by releasing primary cuspen in combination with secondary planets and transits on the radixhoroscope on the day of the event.
It must be concrete events, whereby the (PR.) ASC or (PR.) MC must receive one or more aspects.
If the birth time is correct, these aspects will fall within 1 degree.
If the orb is greater and also occurs with other events, then click on the black arrows at the bottom right to adjust the birth time.

Start:
Click on the frame at the top right of the circle on Transit.
Then look at the aspects with the Radix.
Click Wheels / Aspect to view the size of the orb.
Then click SEC / Prim.
In the left column you now see the SEC. Planets with the pr. Cuspens.
Pay particular attention to the aspects of PR. ASC. and pr. Mc. (The 2 last columns) on the Radix and to aspects of SECPlanets on the R.Asc and MC.
Then look at their orbs by clicking on Wheels / Aspect again.

This analysis gives an accuracy of up to 1 degree of the MC, i.e. a birth time to approximately 4 minutes accurately.
One degree shift from the MC stands for approximately 1 year. (This can make a big difference with for instance Tr.Pluto at predictions)

N.B. Please note that the half squares (45 degrees) and one and a half squares (135 degrees) should be included, because they often play a big role according to Van Dam.

For an even more refinement of the birth time, Van Dam advises use annual harmonies. (Read his aforementioned book for this).

For information: According to Van Dam, as opposed to the primary cusps, the primary planets are a dangerous area and secondairy cups move much too quickly to be useful when correcting.
This was published in 1984, the opinion could be changed by now.
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: bspradling1 on May 14, 2021, 11:40:31 PM
Thanks Jean I will give that a try!  I started adding events to it the other day before I saw your post, but didnít know what to do after that.

I also tried the Trutine of Hermes, but it came out differently than when I did it by hand. And it was showing me charts on the right side that were from the 60ís and 70ís, but I was born in 1985. I was so confused 🤕
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: Jean on May 15, 2021, 07:15:48 AM
Hm that does not seem to be a very valid correction. That module was never really put to the test, you are the first to give an opinion.
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: ABer on May 15, 2021, 06:00:20 PM
Hi Brandi - I decided to take up the challenge of coding a rectification module. This uses ten transit charts (enter dates on the left), and then +/- hours or minutes. Calculate the rectified chart when you are done.

See screenshot of beta below.

Ed
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: Jean on May 15, 2021, 08:25:02 PM
Looks nice. But Ed we have to take care of feature bloat. It's getting out of hand.
If you ask me, i'd have the request for a fullscreen Ed greek as that will surely please a lot of people.
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: ABer on May 15, 2021, 09:13:57 PM
Hi Jean - I just wanted to have a go at this. It's no problem if you don't want to release. Brandi could have a copy for her own use if she wishes.

Ed
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: Jean on May 15, 2021, 09:37:06 PM
I'm sure it will be a fine script and i will be happy to release it. Just saying.. Planetdance is growing bigger and bigger and i often have a hard time remembering what is what, where to find things etc. If i have such trouble, how much more trouble will the user have finding her way. Ed we have the honour that our work is used for education and classes, we should be conscious to the overall package we provide.
This is a bit of a rant, i'm really worried about this, people sometimes find planetdance too overwhelming.
Myself it often happens that i get a question and only after some time i remember the relevant stuff.  :-[
Title: Re: Rectification Feature - latest update
Post by: ABer on May 16, 2021, 08:05:56 PM
Hi there - work has progressed really well on this module. See latest screenshot below. Ed
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: Jean on May 16, 2021, 08:24:41 PM
I would prefer a single edit for every date in stead of day/month/year using timefromstring(). Most scripts work this way and it's easier for the user too.
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: ABer on May 16, 2021, 09:32:30 PM
Hi Jean - I'll look into that. Thanks. Ed
Title: Re: Rectification Feature
Post by: ABer on May 23, 2021, 04:38:35 PM
Hi there - the new Rectification Module is now available:

This module is designed to assist users to rectify a birth chart. The module uses transits, secondary progressions and solar arc directions for up to ten key dates to identify sensitive degree areas which may then be used to rectify the angles of the birth chart. For further information see the Help menu.

Please see the screenshot below. This script is best used on a 1920 x 1080 monitor. It will work on smaller monitors, but the display becomes very crowded.

The script file is available on the forum - see address below. Please copy this to your Planetdance installation. The suggested location is:

Time->Tools->Rectification Module

https://jcremers.com/forum/index.php/topic,157.0.html

Thanks. Ed